This doesn’t necessarily apply to all Gods, just the ones that promise an afterlife, a heaven and a hell.
My point essentially boils down to what benefits the most people. There is no single religion that has a majority, every single person in the world is a minority when it comes to their religious beliefs on a world-wide scale.
There is 7.58 Billion people in the world as I write this and let’s take this random article I found to be the popularity of each religion. This says that Christianity is the most popular religion with 2.12 billion followers, I doubt this however it still works here.
So at best 2.12/7.58 so at most 28% of people are going to be happy after they die if there is a god. No all loving god should allow the eternal suffering of 72% of people, it’s just not fair.
First of all finite punishment should never be punished infinitely, infinity is just too long! Second of all, I don’t even think not believing in something is such a bad thing! There are plenty of good people who don’t believe the same thing as you, I don’t think they should be punished at all for that.
If god is real, you will know about it the second after you die. In that one second your belief in a god will be made up. So who cares anyway after you die?
Compared to the time scale of infinity, everything on Earth seems so insignificant that it shouldn’t even be taken as a factor.
I can’t speak for other religions, but one of the Christian arguments for why Yahweh is still all loving despite this is that it’s all part of gods plan, and that we’re working towards a greater goal of heaven on earth.
That’s fine, but the point you’re arguing here is that the ends justify the means. That infinite suffering for some people who die now is justified by a future of trillions of humans all living in infinite happiness.
I just don’t like that. I think even one person in infinite suffering wouldn’t justify trillions of people’s infinite happiness because it just seems unfair on that one guy.
I’m sure it pleases nobody, especially religious people to believe that so many people will be suffering while they are in happiness.
If you were in heaven, and everyone else you knew were in hell, I wouldn’t call that heaven, because with the knowledge that your friends were suffering, how could you be happy? The only way you could be, is if you had your empathy and by extension free will taken from you, or if heaven was a society much like the one depicted in 1984.
On the subject of 1984, isn’t that exactly what having a god is like? A god who can convict you of thought crime, is always watching, and can judge you without trial immediately.
You think that God is all loving, but if that’s true, what’s hell there for?
If it’s simply a normal place, exactly like heaven, but just without God. Then I think I would enjoy hell very much. Heaven in Christianity is depicted by constant worship with nothing else, who wants that?
And if a God can allow all this suffering to occur, while claiming to be all powerful, all loving then he has enough to answer for that I likely wouldn’t want anything to do with him.
Yahweh is shown time and time again that he believes the ends justify the means. If they didn’t he wouldn’t have killed so many people in the old testament, racistly favouring the Israelite’s just in order to give birth to the long line of people who would eventually give birth to Jesus.
So if the ends do indeed justify the means, why are people still claiming Satan and demons are still running around? They shouldn’t be, not if the ends justify the means they shouldn’t be.
Sure, you could argue that life with Satan and demons around could lead to a greater future on the whole, however if it does, I have to question whether those guys are actually that bad after all.
Simply put, this crazy plan Yahwah has come up with involves the invasion of a small group of slaves to kill many people, randomly having a son which he created himself in order to sacrifice it to himself, creating yet another God which apparently resides in all of us yet seems to do nothing, and that’s only stuff from the bible. If you look at today’s society God’s amazing and awesome plan involves allowing everyone to slowly become less religious over time, and then sending billions of people to eternal suffering, in the hope that one day perhaps there will be enough believers for this sacrifice of life to be worth it.
There is a reason why they teach this nonsense to children, and that’s because if they didn’t the religion wouldn’t exist.
Obviously that reason I just gave, isn’t the reason that religious people teach children their religion – because the adults believe it too. They don’t want their kids to go to hell, which is reasonable enough.
But theirs a good reason why I think this is unfair. There is no proof of any religion. The only way people can really judge it is if they look at it for themselves, and look at everything. This is best done through an unfiltered lens, because if your god is the all powerful person you claim him to be, the person doing the research will find the right answer anyway.
It concerns me when religious people argue against teaching children the religion, because don’t they realise that other religions exist? Surely you would hate a young child to be indoctrinated into a different religion, and doomed to an eternity of suffering?
I think in general it would be better to let people work it out for themselves, people’s religion is too much of a circumstance of their birth, instead of a product of research.
And if you think that your religion is true, then that would be a positive for you, since less people would be doomed to false religions, and be more likely to join the correct one.
Both Christianity and Islam exists, this means that either one, or both of them are wrong, since both of their claims deny the other and there is still that possibility of neither of them being true.
This means that it’s not only possible, but proven, that it is possible for the human mind to feel a close connection and a strong bond to a God that does not exist. It proves that it’s possible to feel like theirs an all powerful god, guiding your every move, who knows every single thing about you when there just isn’t. So how on earth are we going to be able to make the correct choice when there isn’t even a noticeable difference between people with a real god and a false god?
Well the simple answer is atheism.
In a very real sense, what is God? To me, a celestial dictator who invented a magic called sin, a devil that it knew was going to doom it’s creation live in constant sin, and a place for the people to suffer eternally because of the magic system he created which was forcibly inserted into human creation when a snake told a girl to eat an apple 13 billion years ago.
Who wants that God?
How about this: A god that creates you, let’s you live in eternal bliss, and then fucks off. A god that doesn’t demand any worship or money, puts you in heaven straight away, and is there for you when you need him, always helps when needed and is generally not a walking mess of contradiction. Eternal bliss is subjective, if eternal bliss to you is living like a normal person on earth then you can have that too. Oh yeah and a god that doesn’t create an evil monster who specifically tries to turn you away from him. Yeah I think I’d choose this second one thank you very much.
When I was young, probably five years old, I asked “how was god created” and I got the answer “he was powerful enough to create himself” – but everyone should be able to see, that makes no sense at all. The God I just proposed is just as powerful as Yahweh, why can’t that God create himself too?
You could make the argument that something can’t come from nothing – and there is something – so there must be a god. But that explanation only raises more questions.
The origin of the universe as we know it currently was a very simple event. An explosion from a most tiny point. That event is incredibly simple compared to the origin of a god.
Because the creation of a God, is absolutely bonkers.
The atheist’s response to the origin of the universe is that we don’t know. A religious persons is that God created it, and we don’t know how that god was created.
If we answer that the universe started because of a God, then we have still answered absolutely nothing because we don’t know where that God came from.
I think if we do find a natural way the universe could have begun without a God then people would say that God created that natural way, so it wouldn’t even matter anyway.
Religious people have a very bold claim, and it is always their role to convince people since they’ve come up with the idea.
So, if anyone can convince me otherwise that there is a God. I don’t know, I’ll cook you a meal every day in heaven or something – we’ll figure it out.
Also got to give credit to this darkmatter2525 for giving me a lot of the arguments I used at the start. It’s an interesting watch. Every Christian person should watch his videos in my opinion, because doubt and research and exposure to more arguments can only lead to a net gain of truth. If you can find and beat all the arguments, your religion is the truth, whereas if you can’t you’ll waste less time in your religion. Please do not fall into the sunk cost fallacy.
Anyway here’s the video