Why Talk About Atheism So Much?

Instead of launching into writing and releasing so many blog posts first I maybe should have explained my reasoning. After all, what’s the big deal? Why not let people believe what they believe and leave them alone? Why spend so much time talking about something you don’t believe to exist?

Well let’s start.

The first obvious reason is that it’s fun and what I enjoy doing. I think about these things a lot and it’s fun to share them online. I also like having discussions and conversations about it.

One thing I’ve found myself saying way too much, to the point that it’s kind of become a catchphrase is that the truth has nothing to fear from investigation. If my objections to religion are wrong, I want to know about it, because then I can not get tortured forever! If other people are wrong, I want them to know about it so they don’t spend their whole life believing rubbish!

After inspection and many years of Christianity, I’ve found that I believed I was wrong, and subsequently, don’t feel like I’m wasting my life anymore. If by comparing my notes and experiences from my trip I can help other people change, that’s good. And if I release my objections and other people can correct them, and I see where I’m wrong, that’s good too.

I myself don’t think God exists, however I know for sure that believes exist, in their vast majorities, and obviously these are the people I want to most have a conversation with.

There is another reason, and that is that I don’t want to live in a place where a child can have the same religious upbringing that I did. I was taken to church every single Sunday, and attended a religious primary school, so this meant that every single day except for Saturday I was made to worship and learn about God. If that doesn’t sound like indoctrination to you then you are simply crazy.

Christianity is not a fact of life. It is a world view. Granted many people treat it as if it is a fact, but that by no way gives you the right to teach it to children and other people as it is one. It is completely immoral, in the same way that it’s immoral to teach a child atheism from a young age every day.

Think that it’s not too bad to do that to a child? Well simply replace the religion with Islam, Hinduism, Judaism or Sikhism, is this fair? If not, why can Christianity get a free pass? Simply asserting that it is true doesn’t, as you can’t prove it either, much like all those other religions. And to all of those other religions your religion looks just as crazy. And to everyone who is in a religion, it feels just as true and real to them as it does to you.

And if your religion isn’t Christianity, you probably understood what I meant without me needing to explain it all.

Until any religion can be proven as fact, then it’s immoral to teach it as such. I put it on the same level of teaching children the earth is flat, you would never allow it, even though some people do sincerely believe it.

I think the best solution is to never tell a child that any of them is correct, but that they should be taught about all of them (or as many as possible) at once, and then made to form their own conclusions.

Here’s why this is better. Let’s imagine you were unborn, and looking at the entire world where you could be born into. At most there is a 1/7th chance that you will be born into the religion that you currently are, and that means 6/7th of the time you would need to find out the truth for yourself. Would you rather be born into a society where you are free to choose and try as many religions as possible without nobody telling you that you are right or wrong, or brought up in a different religion where you’re made to participate in their religious practices 6/7 days of the week, with a very real chance of being persecuted, shunned, or simply disliked if you change your mind.

I know which one I’d choose, and I think to form a fair society everyone should choose the former.

But if you are religious you should ask yourself, why is this idea of a world something that makes you fear? Surely, if your religion is correct, then you have nothing to fear, as people will take a look at all the evidence out there and make the correct conclusion for themselves. It’s only if you’re wrong, that you really have something to worry about.

I would never be so arrogant to claim that I know a God doesn’t exist. I am just unconvinced, and believe that an existence of a God is extremely unlikely. But I’m happy to be convinced, and I’m happy to convince people the other way, and I think that’s good.

To be honest I’m a fan of the idea that you can believe whatever you want, just keep it to yourself. I myself am not talking to people who I know are religious, or trying to find people I know who are religious to try and persuade them. Instead I release blog posts, they are there on the internet, and it’s always people’s choice to click on them and reply, it’s very easy to ignore, and I look to have interesting conversations with people who also want to have those conversations.

When it comes to the church becoming a part of state, or children being indoctrinated, that’s where I draw the line.

Of course theirs another reason. That is that I don’t want people to believe for bad reasons, or take for granted terrible things of their doctrine. Making people’s reasons better is also a good thing, and if they have bad reasons that don’t make sense, all the better to make their belief unwarranted.

So that’s what I can offer you with such a large amount of athiest posts. Not a person aiming to be intolerant, but simply trying to have a conversation. Because if it is true, I want to know about it. And if it’s wrong I want you to know about it.

 

14 thoughts on “Why Talk About Atheism So Much?

  1. There’s something else. It may sound strange, but everything a person says actually proves that we are created. I’ll give a few examples. One says there are no absolute truths, but in order to say that, the person has to believe in absolute truths. Another says there is no creator, but by claiming that, one does believe in a god, because he/she is claiming to be god, for only a god could know everything to make that statement. But even in agnosticism, saying that you don’t know means there is something to know, just that you don’t know, which nullifies the argument or points, for there is none.
    Yes, we can name all the religions and say this is the reason we believe teaching our children what we believe is wrong. But don’t you see you’re doing the very same thing? By stating that it’s wrong to teach one’s beliefs, you’re doing the very same thing, teaching what you believe? To say teach all beliefs, again, that’s your belief. There’s no getting around it.
    I firmly believe, if God created everything (I believe He did.), then His “stamp” (if you would call it that) would be everywhere. The question is are we willing to acknowledge this, and if not, why not? Having a family that attempted to indoctrinate us, perhaps without love, I understand how that can lead to rebellion. But remember, just because someone calls themselves a Christian doesn’t make it so. And all of this was predicted in the bible. It was explained. We might have bad experiences, but that doesn’t remove the good experiences many families share.
    Look, no big bang, no accident, could have caused order. Everything revolves in circles. Electrons around atoms. Moons around planets. Planets around suns. Suns around their galaxies. And Galaxies are both rotating and moving around something else. And notice humans. We rotate around parents, around leaders, around beliefs. We all have the ability to understand one another, though we may disagree on the answers. But wherever I go, for the most part, we can have a discussion. But if we believe in nothing, then how is it there is a common understanding by which we can all understand one another? This is not an accident. There is reason and understanding in the universe. An accident or explosion would not have caused that. [One more thing, everything is made from one thing, that thing making everything else. Doesn’t that point to one?].
    I could never state there is no god, as explained above. I could not even state that I don’t know, though that’s better, for then I cannot tell anyone what they should believe. For then, the only thing to do is seek and search on my own, and leave everyone else alone. Have friends and work, but leave my unknowns to myself. But there’s a reason why a person would say, since we can’t know for certain, and some religions are wrong (Again, you see, you can’t say that for you’ve acknowledged that you don’t know, and if you don’t know, as far as you’re concerned, all religions could be right. It’s circular.), then we can’t teach our children what we believe. But I do agree, that I would teach my own what I believe, but that I would also encourage the little ones to think for themselves. But we would have discussions and talks throughout life. For, as you say, I can learn from them as I share. But I do know God and His Son exists, and to say otherwise, I would not be being honest.
    The point here, is you don’t have a point. This is not to ridicule or tease. Far be it. I used to think this way, then I realized the problem in that thinking. And that, along with other things, increased my belief in God. There was no getting away, and then, why would I want to get away? Why wouldn’t I want to know my Father and live with the understanding He imparts to us? And I realized, with time, that He did indeed sent His Son. Nothing makes sense without that. And he has answered far too many prayers for me to think otherwise, sometimes immediately.
    Perhaps, if you truly want to know, ask Him. You don’t have to go to church. You can just ask, within yourself, why am I here? What is the purpose of life? You can read the bible and any of the other writings on your own. Then, be patient. Might get an answer in your understanding right away, might be longer, might take decades, I don’t know. But it doesn’t hurt to ask the question, sincerely. But when you really are searching.
    As far as being free: free from what?

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    • That is simply wrong. If you say there are no absolute truths you by definition do not believe in them, because you don’t think they exist. Claiming there is no creator is not claiming to be a God. Agnosticism is a position that there is not enough information out there to know, but that something to know could be that there is a God or there isn’t. You are not a mind reader, do not presume to know the true thoughts of others because your reading into people thoughts that they do not have.

      You’re being completely insincere about what I would rather teach people. We simply cannot morally teach believes as if they’re facts, because they’re not. If you want your belief to be taught in schools then it’s up to you to provide the evidence.

      Until then it’s unfair to treat all these beliefs differently, as we don’t know if any or all of them are right. There are several ways forward to proceed with this, and not one of them is teach your own biased belief because you can’t disprove it, because it’s not right to teach beliefs as facts and it’s not right to be biased.

      His stamp is not everywhere, and that’s the problem. The universe looks exactly like what you’d expect if there was no God.

      I would say my parents were always well intentioned. I don’t necessarily blame them, more the school and church I went too.

      The big bang can be scientifically shown to have caused all those things. For all we know the laws of physics cannot change, which means the nature of the big bang, followed by the laws of physics that we have would absolutely need to create this so called order that you see.

      It feels like you think that I believe nothing. That’s not true. I only don’t believe in any religion. We can still find common ground in other areas.

      To answer your question I’ll point you to a book called a universe from nothing. The clues in the name, essentially there are more factors to consider. Even if that logic stood, you would still be unable to prove it.

      It’s interesting what you said about absolute truths, if there you say you don’t believe in absolute truths, does that then mean that theirs something to believe in? Hahahaha.

      Correction, if you say you don’t know, one of the religions could be right. All of the religions can’t be right, because all of the religions say that all of the other religions are wrong.

      You do not know. What evidence that you have that others don’t? It’s your opinion and belief, that’s it. You cannot know.

      I do have a point, your comment is the point. Changing attitudes like yours is my point.

      If there is a God I don’t know if it’s a good thing. If the Christian God is real then at least 70% of people are going to hell, and I don’t want that. Also having a God is like having an unalterable infinite celestial dictatorship which I don’t like either. So I’m really uncertain about that.

      I was a Christian for nearly two decades, I think it gets to a point where enough is enough, and you should stop wasting your time. It’s unfair and biased to spend 18 years in Christianity only to go back to it, there are many other religious beliefs far more worth trying.

      Free from a lot of things. Religion is a huge control of your life, and I can honestly say I’m far better now currently without it. My life is so much better.

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  2. It’s amazing, and I’ve noticed this too, how people find reasons to argue, finding messages in others’ points of view that aren’t there. The questions and views are each person’s. What they are looking for is for them. Almost like, no like, some are looking for an argument which none of this has been intended. I’ve just noticed how so many who wish to follow their faith are attacked by the media, which for myself, requires answer, supporting those who believe and providing another persons’ views that they can consider, or not consider (Each person’s choice.). I’m not hard to read. Pretty blunt for the most part. We have here an article on atheism, so people are reading, and blogs are meant for discussion, so I shared. But, I have found, on occasions, where someone is looking for faith, then they hear something from someone else and it clicks inside, supporting what they’ve come to believe.

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    • Discussion is not arguing, I also see nothing wrong with trying to find the truth together and try and give information to those whom with you disagree.

      It’s also not just faith in the media, atheists get an insanely bad rep as well.

      Not going to lie, you come across as very vague. Not stating what you actually believe, and leading me to have to guess/work out the meaning. I don’t want to be rude, but it reads as if English is not your first language, which makes the meaning harder to understand. I also have no idea what you believe, with you seeming to be saying “one day it will just click” which doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, as for the vast majority of my life it did click, and then I ended up thinking that I was wrong, and then that clicked way more.

      But I can see that you don’t want to talk about this further. Just saying that you absolutely know that God is real, not back this statement up at all, and then say one day I’ll get it and that this conversation should not continue past that point. That’s ok, can’t force you.

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  3. I understand the perspective. Realization brought the belief and faith. I just understood, and little understandings continued to arise. I knew I hadn’t created myself, so someone did, for where did my self-consciousness, awareness, self, come from, along with understanding right from wrong? I could go into the other aspects, including material proofs, but I’ve mentioned those many times which can be read. I could just as easily side with atheism, for I know the arguments, but understanding and realization showed me otherwise.

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    • What information do you have that I don’t then? Can you explain why these arguments are unconvincing, because if they’re bad arguments, I want to know.

      Your understanding and realisation appears to be only from personal experience, which seems untrustworthy as every religion has many personal experiences like this, and every religion claims the other to be wrong. You wouldn’t approve a medicine just from your personal experience, you would have to test it repeatedly and compare it to a placebo.

      I also disagree. You can’t just assert that someone created you, because you have no good reason to believe that unless you can back it up. Self-consciousness, awareness, self, and understanding came from evolution, the people who didn’t have that understanding died and didn’t pass on the same traits.

      If you could just as easily be an athiest, why attribute things easily explained by natural selection to a superhuman wizard in the sky?

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      • You are cool to believe what you want. No one can be made to believe anything, and I would never wish anyone to believe what I believe because I said it. There was a neighborhood kid who believed me (On other topics. I leave religion to the family.). Guess, being on my team, he took to me. After awhile, I would ask him why he sided with me on topics. I told him it was okay to like me as his coach, respect me for I do my best, but to also think for himself. I arrive at what I believe by thinking for myself. No one can make me believe anything. Wouldn’t want that for you, either. What I have said has helped others become stronger in their faith. For you, it’s your journey.

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        • What is this? If you know something I don’t I want to know about it!

          I don’t think you’ve said what you actually believe, but if any religious belief is real, I think it’s important. Which is why it’s strange to leave it here to me. A lot of religions will punish everyone who is not a believer too so that’s kind of important as well.

          We should think for ourselves and reach our own conclusions, however that doesn’t mean we can’t exchange notes.

          I currently do not believe in any religion, so I wouldn’t say my journey is going in that direction. I especially don’t think faith is a good thing to have a journey about, since it literally means believe without evidence, which isn’t really a good thing in my opinion.

          Anyway, thanks for the comments! If you don’t want to talk about it that’s ok.

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  4. The thing is, each person moves from what they believe. No one of us can see through the eyes of another. Not possible. One cannot know the promptings of another. That’s why, I think, in the bible, we’re taught not to judge. Yes,when we see wrong done, we must address, and criminals must be put away, but we don’t know their entire lives. I understand the belief that we can share information, then let others decide, but again, that’s a decision one makes based upon their beliefs. You can’t escape this. But I tell you, I absolutely know God is and sent His Son. Yes, part is a leap of faith. But this happened after most of my life had passed. I know I exist, so where did my life and self-realization come from. I have understanding, which is not intellectual, so where is this understanding coming from? I can’t give it to myself. In fact, when I tried, it disappears. Only when I let go does understanding come, and only at times. We also have the ability to understand one another, which indicates order in the universe. I would go on, but again, each person decides for themselves. But truth is truth, no matter what people believe. We don’t make truth. **A friend once explained that doubt is a person. That helped explain, years later, when I read the part where Jesus Christ said He is the Truth, the Way, and the Life. Suddenly, I got it. You see, before God began creation, nothing in the material world existed. Meaning nothing exists without being created. That made sense to me. God is truth. Truth, is God. He is everything.

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    • I’m not sure if you have a blog, or have a way to find out if I’ve even replied, however I hope this finds you.

      Unless you can prove it conclusively, you cannot ever possibly know that God is real. Though I disbelieve, I would never say that I know God is not real, just that it’s insanely unlikely. The issue is we can’t know, just use what we already have to make a conclusion.

      I would say that you can’t choose what you believe, as you can’t choose what will convince you.

      The where else is this life and self realisation coming from is better answered by saying “we don’t know yet” – Just because you don’t believe that there are other explanations doesn’t automatically make the only explanation you have correct.

      What we have discovered is the concept of a universe from nothing, which is possible. So I would be more inclined to point towards that. I don’t remember which video is the best but this should be ok if your interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

      Also if humans need a mighty explanation such as a God, then how much more of an explanation does God need? As we trace back our origins, the concepts are only becoming simpler, adding a God to the equation takes vastly more explaining to do.

      Calling the universe a creation is an assumption in the first place. The only way we can see design is by comparing it to things that are not designed. Considering 99% of the universe is inhabitable, and we only exist on one remote planet among trillions, it’s kind of exactly what you would expect to see from a universe without a creator. That video on a universe from nothing video will better explain what I mean if that actually does interest you.

      I know it’s kind of unfair to give you a huge video to watch, however I also don’t want to talk past you. So I’ll let you decide if you want to see it.

      Doubt is most definitely not a person, but just the word for when you’re questioning your beliefs. I think doubt is a good thing, as it can lead you to try and find truth, and the truth has nothing to fear from investigation. You’re right by the truth is truth thing, your position is correct or incorrect.

      I make no assertions, just that I’m massively unconvinced by what’s out there already. If you have conclusive evidence, that genuinely makes the claim that you “know” true, then I’m happy to hear it.

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